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Posted by Nick Waterman on 2000/02/22 09:09

Philip Ayres said:

You're not the only one who's noticed it. Stuff has been wandering waaaay
O/T. And that's without us conducting a flame war on what's winding us up
at that moment in time.

Traffic's been well up too - sometimes with replies to several mails in the
same thread all at once. You could edit them together ? ?

It has been suggested, a couple of times, that I create YET ANOTHER
mailing-list called something like gossip@ or natter@
or something like that. This would allow us to be a bit more strict about
"society and science-fiction announcements", "creative writing", "society
and sci-fi related chat", and "any other gossip", but on the other hand it
would add YET ANOTHER level of complexity, making a total of 16 different
combinations of what lists you might be subscribed to. If we don't stop
somewhere, we'll end up with dozens of different lists, lots of argument
about what belongs on what, and nobody will be quite sure who's on what
lists. Furthermore, next time some fool decides that an announcement ought
to be sent to ALL lists, a lot of members will then get FOUR copies of it.
It would also cause more confusion to new, and to less-IT-aware members.

It won't take me too long to do it... it's just a matter of how much
complexity we want.

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Posted by Nick Waterman on 2000/02/22 09:30

Nick Waterman said:

It has been suggested, a couple of times, that I create YET ANOTHER
mailing-list called something like gossip@ or natter@

[snip]

It won't take me too long to do it... it's just a matter of how much
complexity we want.

Sorry, I forgot the all-important question...

WHAT DO PEOPLE THINK? Should I create yet another mailing-list, in the
desperate hope that it'll drag the chat@ list back to somewhere near
it's intended topic?

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Posted by Luke Dalli on 2000/02/22 09:32

No more lists! please!!!!!! Have mercy!

Luke

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Posted by Chris Turner on 2000/02/22 09:54

On Tue, 22 Feb 2000, Nick Waterman wrote:

Nick Waterman said:

It has been suggested, a couple of times, that I create YET ANOTHER
mailing-list called something like gossip@ or natter@

[snip]

It won't take me too long to do it... it's just a matter of how much
complexity we want.

Sorry, I forgot the all-important question...

WHAT DO PEOPLE THINK? Should I create yet another mailing-list, in the
desperate hope that it'll drag the chat@ list back to somewhere near
it's intended topic?

Doesn't part of the intended topic include discussing the many, varied &
tortured woes of the members? We need somewhere to discuss it, cos we get
far too little time to discuss anything at the pub cos of the film taking
up most of the evening.

Maybe you could set up some kind of filter to prevent ant^hyone from
sending stuff to more than one of the lists?

Chris

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Posted by Dominic T. on 2000/02/22 10:37

WHAT DO PEOPLE THINK? Should I create yet another mailing-list, in the
desperate hope that it'll drag the chat@ list back to
somewhere near it's intended topic?

No, I just think people need to remember that everything they say on the
list is read by EVERYONE. One-line smart-arsed comments and blatant deranged
cobblers have to be relevant or entertaining, or they shouldn't be posted.

I've got no inherent objections to the existence of any of the threads over
the last few weeks, it's just that some of them went on for way way too
long, and degenerated into unfunny and irrelevant noise.

(If you WERE to create a new list though, perhaps rather than calling it
"gossip" you should call it "sf", since as far as I'm concerned, you can't
get much more general than "chat".)

Dominic

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Posted by Clare S. on 2000/02/27 23:48

*snip*
Just do me a favour and add headers too all the subject headers - something like IFIS Chat: ..., etc, so I know what needs reading straight away, and what i can leave!!
Cxxx

It won't take me too long to do it... it's just a matter of how much
complexity we want.

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Posted by Chris L on 2000/02/28 00:12

Or of course you could do what I do Clare, and have
my email sorted into folders for chat, gamesoc and
direct by the computer when it receives them. This
has the advantage that Nick doesn't have to add another
level of complexity to what already screws the RHUL
computer centre half the time.:-)

Chris Lyth (Clyth@)

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Subject: Re: Lists

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*snip*
Just do me a favour and add headers too all the subject headers -

something like IFIS Chat: ..., etc, so I know what needs reading straight
away, and what i can leave!!

Cxxx

It won't take me too long to do it... it's just a matter of how much
complexity we want.

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Posted by Chris Turner on 2000/02/28 02:05

On Sun, 27 Feb 2000 Clare@ wrote:

*snip*
Just do me a favour and add headers too all the subject headers -
something like IFIS Chat: ..., etc, so I know what needs reading straight
away, and what i can leave!!

That'd be a little trickier to do with the IFIS lists - Nick's not using any
software to run them.

Anyway - You make it sound like stuff on IFIS Chat isn't worth reading.
Well I guess all the crap I post it's hardly surprising people get that idea
*8).

Chris

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Posted by Nick Waterman on 2000/02/28 10:18

Chris Turner said:

That'd be a little trickier to do with the IFIS lists - Nick's not using any
software to run them.

No? they happen by magic, do they? and all the header hacking I've had to do
to get rhul's lousy mail-server to accept our mail back again?

It DOES go through some software, and I COULD add extra crap to the headers
if people really thought it was worthwhile, but considering how easy it is
to filter by "reply-to", I suspect adding to the subject would be more of an
annoyance than a bonus.

Any other votes either way?

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Posted by Chris Turner on 2000/02/28 10:41

On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Nick Waterman wrote:

Chris Turner said:

That'd be a little trickier to do with the IFIS lists - Nick's not using any
software to run them.

No? they happen by magic, do they? and all the header hacking I've had to do
to get rhul's lousy mail-server to accept our mail back again?

Well, ok. Last I checked it was all done with some fancy alias.

It DOES go through some software, and I COULD add extra crap to the
headers if people really thought it was worthwhile, but considering
how easy it is to filter by "reply-to", I suspect adding to the
subject would be more of an annoyance than a bonus.

Any other votes either way?

I think it'd be a good idea - it's not like we're all lucky enough to be
using decent mail systems that let us filter our mail into different
folders.

Chris

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Posted by Nick Waterman on 2000/02/28 10:50

Chris Turner said:

Any other votes either way?

I think it'd be a good idea - it's not like we're all lucky enough to be
using decent mail systems that let us filter our mail into different
folders.

Aren't we? why not? :-)

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Posted by Philip Ayres on 2000/02/28 11:48

Any other votes either way?

I think it'd be a good idea - it's not like we're all lucky enough to be
using decent mail systems that let us filter our mail into different
folders.

Aren't we? why not? :-)

Mainly due to the choices we make as regards web based email systems and
RHUL mail.

Personally I'm fine with it how it is. Deleting is after all but one key
press away if the mail turns out to be not anything I'm interested in.

But I can see that a IFIS CHAT or IFIS ANNOUNCE header might be useful to
some people. I'm on the Transmasters UK mail list and get mail marked
TMUK.

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Posted by Chris L on 2000/02/28 16:35

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Turner <christ@>
To: <chat@>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Lists

On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Nick Waterman wrote:

Chris Turner said:

That'd be a little trickier to do with the IFIS lists - Nick's not

using any

software to run them.

No? they happen by magic, do they? and all the header hacking I've had

to do

to get rhul's lousy mail-server to accept our mail back again?

Well, ok. Last I checked it was all done with some fancy alias.

It DOES go through some software, and I COULD add extra crap to the
headers if people really thought it was worthwhile, but considering
how easy it is to filter by "reply-to", I suspect adding to the
subject would be more of an annoyance than a bonus.

Any other votes either way?

I think it'd be a good idea - it's not like we're all lucky enough to be
using decent mail systems that let us filter our mail into different
folders.

I'm using Microsoft. Decent mail system???
Most people would say not.

Chris Lyth (Clyth@)

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research.

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Posted by Nick Waterman on 2000/02/28 17:54

Chris Lyth said:

I think it'd be a good idea - it's not like we're all lucky enough to be
using decent mail systems that let us filter our mail into different
folders.

I'm using Microsoft. Decent mail system???
Most people would say not.

Well, exactly, but you can still automagically sort your mail into different
folders. It sounds like the people with the problem are those using some of
the web-based email systems. I'd reccommend www.postmaster.co.uk if you want
a fast, uk-based, non-microsoft, web-based-email with at least a certain
ammount of filtering capability.

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