Phantom Menace Soundtrack

Hello,
Today I got the Phantom Menace soundtrack. It's absolutely brilliant!! The
cheapest I found it in Egham or Staines was in Woolworths for 12.99 (when
they have it in stock) or MVC for 12.99 (with MVC card). In WH Smith they
have it for 13.99.

May the Force be with you...

Charlotte

P.S. I warn you there are spoilers on the back of the CD in the form of the
names of the tracks!!!! I looked and now I know a couple of things that
happen in the film... aaagggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

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Indeed.

This fact made the news on TV this morning.
They said "fans in the US are complaining because the title of one of the
tracks gives away the plot".
Then they told me which track.
Thanks guys.

Lets face it.
Unless Britain immediately severs all links with the US, and everyone spends
the next few weeks in bed, we're going to find out the plot.

I suppose I could walk around with a big pair of earmuffs, and quickly stick
them on whenever I hear the name "Star Wars", or the name of any character or
actor in the film. (Or composer.)

Or we could just accept that we already know the biggest spoilers of all.

Anakin Skywalker abandons his pregnant wife when he betrays the Jedi Knights
and succumbs to the dark side of the force, to help the Emperor conquer the
universe.

Well, that's just ruined the whole thing for me.

or the fact that *GASP MAJOR SPOILER*
he dies in the end of it all, aboard the death star mk II
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:o)

cheers
Asan

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Sooooooooooo, any point in seeing this thing now? Bear in mind I'll
take some convincing as I haven't seen the other three either...... Just
kidding!
I wanna see it really :o)
-
Jen

Dominic Thomas wrote:
And those of you who don't want to hear anything about the plot, be warned - I am
flying to the US on Sunday for a couple of weeks and there is talk about some of us
from the office going to see the film! Mind you, it'll only be a couple of weeks
before I move permanently.

Jacquie

Just realized, if forgot to put my film suggestion on that email: "Clerks"
- its not really sci-fi, but has some pretty good discussions on Star Wars
in it!!

see: http://www.viewaskew.com/clerks/
for more info.....

also "Chasing Amy" again made by Kevin Smith is also good.....
..... I haven't seen "Mallrats" but have heard its not as good as Clerks or
Chasing Amy...


david

I'm not going to list the tracks - anyone ought to be able to find
them online if they want them (EG www.cdnow.com, find "phantom
menace")...

... but which ones are spoilers?

04? you know someone goes swimming?
05? you know there's a droid battle? or 6 spacecraft?
06? someone goes to naboo temple?
08? HE IS THE CHOSEN ONE?!?!? NO SHIT?
09? Anakin defeats someone (who's named), well gosh, MAYBE that's a
spoiler, but on the other hand it probably wouldn't surprise
anyone much if anakin DOES defeat a few people now and then,
surely?
10? they go through a planet core?
14? droids invade?
15 and 16 are the big deal, I assume? they tell you someone (named)
dies (XXXXXXX's "noble end"), and they have a funeral?

Wow, big deal. People's obsession with "spoilers" has been taken a bit
too far in my opinoin. Apart from anything else... As someone's
pointed out, these are PREQUELS, for goodness sake - we know EXACTLY
what happens in 3,4,5 episodes time anyway!

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The named funeral was the one I heard the fuss was about.
A damn fine example of a prequel is INTERVENTION, by Julian May.
It's the prequel to her Many Coloured Land series. So right at the beginning,
you KNOW that the aliens are going to land, and save the planet, but still it's
a damn good book, that manages to maintain interest and even suspense, through
sub-plots and character interaction.
She's done several prequels, and managed the same trick with all of them.
You're actually SUPPOSED to read the prequels afterwards, and you probably
won't enjoy them, or understand them, as much if you read them first.

I do wonder if Phantom Menace is going to be the same....
In 10 years time, would you take a small child, who's never seen ANY of the
films, to see Phantom Menace, or Star Wars first?

Guess I'll know by then....

Dominic.

"Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake
when you make it again." [F. P. Jones]

In article <199905111208.NAA16358@>, "Dominic Thomas" <dthomas@> wrote:
A better known example is "The Magician's Nephew", by C.S.Lewis, which is of
course a prequel to "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe."
And yes, this observation still applies.



Simon

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simon@ wrote:
I would tend to disagree that "The Magician's Nephew" is a
good example of a prequel. I would usually define a prequel
as a book that relies heavily on the original work. If the
book is completely self contained, but is based in the same
world, does that make it a prequel?

"The Magician's Nephew" is a self contained book and your are
far from expected to have read "The Lion, the Witch and the
Wardrobe" first.

In actual fact one of the common arguments on alt.books.cs-lewis,
is in what order should the books be read. Lewis expressed a
vague preference for reading the books in Chronological order.
Ie:

1. The Magicians Nephew
2. The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe
3. The Horse and His Boy
4. Prince Caspian
5. The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
6. The Silver Chair
7. The Last Battle

On the other hand reading them in the order that they were written
does kind of add to the magic. Finding out later, why the wardrobe
is magical and where the lampost came from, in my opinion does
add something to the reading.

Laters,

Adam

Ummmm, yes.
I mean no.
Oh bugger.

I suppose if the same author wrote a book about the second world war,
and then also a book about the sailing of the mayflower, they'd be separate
entities.

However, if you were an alien reading the books, with no knowledge of the human
race, you might consider it a spoiler to learn that America was an independent
state, with a large army, and you'd want to read the mayflower book first.

I always try and order books according to the chronology of their setting.

David Gemmel's written a fair few novels, some of which are blatantly in the
same world, and feature the same places, and some of the same characters
(although I believe that ALL of his books are technically in the same
multiverse). In the case of his books, I'd generally recommend that as the
order of reading for newcommers.

Then again, Julian May's Intervention, etc. are definitely to be read after the
Many Coloured Land books, but that's partly because there's some "time-travel"
involved, and reading them first would spoil the plot of the series she wrote
first.
Then I'd have to go with that.
Yet I do so reluctantly, and only because I've not read them in an awful long
time.

The beauty of TLTWATW is that it starts off with no knowledge of the world
assumed. The reader is (usually) a child in the present day, with pretty much
the same knowledge as the characters in the books. So as they find things out,
so does the reader. It's nice to stay in step like that. I can't remember how
the Magician's Nephew runs, but I'd want the starting point to any series to
be the book which reveals the "secrets" of the setting gradually, in a
plot-relevant manner.

Dominic.

"It matters not whether you win or lose;
what matters is whether I win or lose." [Darrin Weinberg]

Speaking of films & stuff,

This can be planned tonight at the pub, but I'm probably doing a bit of a
Peter Jackson night tomorrow night at my place... (cue the link to
directions to my place...)
http://www.brunel.ac.uk/~dtpgaml/maps/

I can only fit a few people in (I've had 8 or 9 watch films before, and
that's pretty crowded). Things will probably kick off about 8ish, and if we
watch 3 films, should be done by about 2ish...

Films will include:

Bad Taste:
-----------
IMDB.com says:
"Lord Crumb comes to earth in search of humans
who will become the galaxies new taste sensation!"
Every single comment about this film on IMDB.com was GOOD.

Brain Dead:
-----------
Peter Jackson's third film, and second most well known.
Similar vein of humour to Bad Taste (ie. sick) but with
slightly more budget. Not much more, though.


and, if I can coax Chris Lyth into supplying it,

Meet the Feebles:
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IMDB.com says:
"I, a long time Peter Jackson fan, find this flick nauseating,
grotesque, and downright hilarious. Take the muppets, and look
backstage, it might look a little bit like this, Drugs, sex,
black comedy, and an overall directorial masterpiece. Yes, all
of the above in New Zealand director Peter Jackson's Meet the
Feebles."

and if Chris can't be uncovered/persuaded, I'll get:

The Frighteners:
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Can't find any blurb about this, but it's a damned fine film...

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Adrian.

Phone me. 9-5 01932 357208
other times 01784 451627

Yes I will provide meet the feebles for the opportunity to see all 3 in 1
night.
Chris
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So tell me Baron, of how you won November 1937 in a card game,
and what you did with it.

No. But to understand the full story you need to read all 7.
Very B5 ish (and many other things) in that respect...

Although JMS acknowledges the influence of Tolkien I can't remember him
mentioning CS Lewis at any stage.

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In article <373946A4.6C8B5DAD@>, Adam Hattrell <adamh@> wrote:
[...]
Which is my point. "There's the lamp-post, still sitting there", or even
"here's that lion again" is not going to be as effective when reading the
first book in the author's chronology, and thinking "so *that's* where the
lamp-post came from."

When an author writes a book, he has the job of introducing the world. In
both sequels and prequels the introduction may be assumed to be partly done
- and (as I recall) there are many things that are simply glossed over in
"The Magician's Nephew" because they are done in "The Lion, the Witch and
the Wardrobe". The introduction to Aslan, for instance, is an unexpected
meeting in TMN, whereas the entry of the Lion is actually the main drama in
TLtWatW. All the little teasers scattered through the book would be less
dramatic if they were "here comes that lion again". That's why I'd tend to
favour reading books in the order they were written, as a general rule.

Piers Anthony's "Incarnations of Immortality" do a lot more of the
"self-contained" thing - but then their chronology is *everywhere*. The
constant re-presenting of the same stuff can be a bit slow.

That said, the fourth and fifth books tell exactly the same story from
opposite sides - but they do it well. I've never seen that done before -
but then I've never seen a plot which benefits from it so well. I'd
recommend it - if only as an example of some wierd storytelling. And I'd
still read them in the order they were written.



Simon

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Another example of this is the various books set in Pern. The first few
books written work their way up through the clash between the holders and
the dragon hold. The apparent uselessness of the dragons / dragonriders, are
redeemed by the threat which they bravely fight to give purpose and reason
for their existance. Later written books go right back to the colonisation
of Pern with the hard science behind the evolution of the dragons.

I won't say more than that, in case there are people who have not read them.
They are in the IFIS library, and I would recomend them, even if they are
not *deeply* characterised.

Its the hidden asumptions, and the wonder in which they are explored which
is lost if you read such books in strictly chronological order. The world
history forms in the minds eye of first the author, and then the reader,
which suggests to me that reading them in the order the author wrote them
will indeed keep the magic alive. Indeed, it might be argued that the Pern
series was initially a fantasy, although it is clear from how things are
developed that hard science can back up everything which is described. Magic
being a technology beyond the characters- and readers- understanding.

Even in the later chronological period, I would not be sure which order to
read them, as they were also not written in strict chronological order,
although there is much overlapping of perspectives.

Jenny Gould

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Yes, it's numbers 15 and 16 that are definetely spoilers, because
although you know that he will eventually die anyway, you didn't know that
it was going to be so soon and in that film.
yes, I know we know what eventually happens but we don't know how or
when or why things happened in the prequels. Although they are completely
linked with eps. 3,4 and 5, there are some separate aspects of the storyline
that we don't want to find out about!

Okay this is getting silly now.
Quit with the discussion of spoilers already because by
process of elimination I've worked out what everyone's talking about.
Up until now I was doing a really good job of avoiding finding
anything too major out.
Thanks a lot folks.


Jon

Not as silly as it's going to get I fear !
I wondered.
So I checked the track listing.
And I didn't want to know.

If anyone wants to know the logical steps by which it's deduced email me...
I'm getting tempted to read the novel ....

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I agree, there's still a couple of months to go yet...maybe this is
what is's like in the U.S...
Not that that makes any difference as we'll all find out by accident
sooner or later with all the media attention, I suppose...
So am I but I'm not going to......noooooooooo......I have a strange
urge to go shopping to get it even now when the shops are shut....

I read an article in the times today about it .... They were saying that FP
shifted all of their DM's in 2 hours - and they'd ordered hundreds.

For those who've asked for a DM Lightsabre @ 20.00 they quote the UK RRP at
39.99 !
I still haven't managed to find a copy in Asda !


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Philip Ayres said:
FOURTY QUID!
[choke!]

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Is that before or after the FP mark-up?

Andy

RRP
And andy Wren responded:
Before. That is the Hasbro recommended retail price (RRP)

The RRP on the action figures is 7.99 - FP have them for 10 and up.

Woolies, Smiths and TRU all have or have had them at 8.
The suspicion is that this is a "lets make lots of money early and screw the
grey import scene" release and the figures will crash in price once they
come out over here.



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Well if you do don't complain about how it spoilt the film for you
alright, there are people out there who are trying not to find out
every little detail about TPM.
Oh and by the way, movie novelisations are usually written from the
shooting script (the one that goes on-set during filming) not the
continuity script (the one prepared during editing that details what
you actually see on screen), so chances are the novelisation will
be rather different from the film, especially with all the work Lucas
has been doing, so it'd probably be a waste of money if you're
looking for spoilers.



Jon