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It's been too long since I've had an email from you! Izzy told me about
next Wednesday - I hope it won't be Mimic. Got to go now, I've got a train
to catch,
Love Ali.

PS Tell Steve he's been supplanted by William (I love the accent). Shame
he's going back to France so soon... Still, I'm sure I'll cope!

PPS If you tell William any of this you'll DIE (I'm having lessons in how
to be violent from Simon).

Was this a personal email accidentally sent out to the entire mailing list?
How terrible.

Looks like she'll be needing those lessons in how to be violent.

Speaking of which Simon, can I assume you have been subsumed by the dark side,
and are now Darth Richardson? You're not supposed to be violent in aikido...

The mind, it boggleth.

Dominic.

"The right to be heard does not automatically include
the right to be taken seriously." [Hubert Humphrey]

On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Dominic Thomas wrote:

yeah I think its best if you ignore ali''s e-mail, it appears to have been
meant for someone else since appaarantly they jokingly swap banter on who
blokes quite regularly , and unfortunately this little bit of fun slipped
the net. IGNORE IT!!!!

cheers
Asan

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In article <9901151453.AA16846@>, "Dominic Thomas" <dthomas@> wrote:
Someone who Dominic preferred not to attribute wrote:
If it was, I never saw it. (But we're rumoured to be having mail problems
here, so that doesn't mean much. Will someone please send me a bounce?)
I'm not offering anybody lessons in how to be violent. I'm not even
offering lessons in aikido. But I know a man who is.
Erm ... no. You're not supposed to be violent in aikido without good cause.
Sometimes violence is the only way to be sure.
Indeed.


ObSF: the comments about Darth Richardson are quite appropriate, and not
just because of my asthma. There is a lot of similarities between the
"Force" powers, and their underlying theology, and that of aikido and other
martial arts. It's true that I have never seen anyone raising even little
spaceships out of swamps with mental force, but the smaller tricks:
anticipation; misdirection; and feelings when things are going right or
wrong; all of these things are claimed for most martial arts. I wonder
where Lucas got it from? (And, much more, I'd be interested to hear *which*
art he got it from.)

I've also heard comparisons between the Force and duct tape. "It has a
light side, and a dark side, and it binds the Galaxy together..."



Simon

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"I have been asked to point out, as if you couldn't guess, that my rantings
are not the opinions of One Chip Solutions. So now you know, don't you..?"

I've heard many times over the years some of the stuff behind the Force
linked to New Age/Hippy type stuff....

Me I watch the films because they are a bit of fun and it doesn't bother me.
But I know some Christians who do have problems with it for precisely that
reason ....


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In article <001401be4237$57d0f8a0$d9e72ac2@>, "Philip Ayres" <payres@> wrote:
I suspect that this process happened the other way around. The whole
"Newage" (for pronunciation, replace 'N' with 'S') thing happened in the
'80s and '90s, *after* "Star Wars". A good fraction of the Newage types
seem to be into the idea of "universal peace" aliens, much as portrayed in
"ID4" or "Mars Attacks!" (That is the Newagers, not the aliens. Most of us
who've encountered these crazies in the flesh are cheering the aliens at
this point.) Any "Fortean Times" is full of it now, particularly with people
so scared about the numbers changing in the date. "Wackos everywhere ...
plague of madness..."

The traditions of Japanese martial arts date from the Sixteenth Century. We
have already mentioned that the plot of "Star Wars" is remarkably similar to
Akira Kurosawa's "Hidden Fortress" - a 1958 movie - but I wondered if anyone
had seen any interviews with George Lucas that might shed more light on the
matter.
"Me too!" ;-)
You get that with any organisation, religious or otherwise. Just look at
the Labour Party.

I'm sure you won't go to Hay-ull for watching "Star Wars". If you will, I'm
not sure Heaven is worth bothering with. Of course, with me the point is
probably academic, at least from the Christian perspective. I've already
been thrown out by one church.


Simon

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"I have been asked to point out, as if you couldn't guess, that my rantings
are not the opinions of One Chip Solutions. So now you know, don't you..?"

The force and star wars...

In fact the key person here is Alec Guniess, when he saw the script at
first the
force was only a small part and not very important. He suggested that
the story
should be more fairy tale like (he is not a science fiction fan and
views them all
as a sort fairy tales) and one way to do that was up the magic/mystic
aspects of
the film. George Lucas also liked the idea of giving the film a magic
fairy tale
aspect - the princess in the tower type feel. Hence the important of the
force
was increased.

Daniel

I never heard anyone complaining about Stars Wars being bad. The
Christian mythos
is full of stories - Georges and the dragon, Jesper and the Worm, the
Green Knigth,
these all have similar plotline which are echoed in Star Wars.

Daniel

P.S. Simon, If you believe you are excluded from the Christian faith,
then you
have completely missed the point about it.

In article <36A30EB9.C9824FF4@>, "Celano, Daniel (EXCHANGE:HAL02:GB12)" <celano@> wrote:
Yes, but the fundamentalist Christians in particular consider that (almost)
everything that happened between 100AD and now is distraction and
irrelevence. In a great many cases, of course, they are right. Even in the
cases that they don't recognise, if you want the scandalous truth.

One of the more interesting (and potentially inflammatory) SF plots to
explore is one of modern fundamentalist Christians meeting people from the
early Church. Time travel or immortality could result in this. (I used
immortality when it appeared in one of my campaigns.) I wonder how much they
would agree. A lot less than they would expect to agree, methinks.


So Alec Guinness was responsible for "The Force"? Do you have a source for
that? Or more information?
Actually, I think you will find that the Catholic priest that told me I
should stay home Sundays (because of my relationship) had completely missed
the point about it.

You could take it up with him if you like.



Simon

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"I have been asked to point out, as if you couldn't guess, that my rantings
are not the opinions of One Chip Solutions. So now you know, don't you..?"

http://www.paoweb.com - a doozy
http://www.zetatalk.com - Is this for real
http://rael.org (This is)
http://www.spiritweb.com (unfortunately true)
http://www.brotherblue.org (parody or truth?)
http://www.enterprisemission.com (I give in with this one)

Dave "the lunatic is inside my head" B

Oh great. A Galactic federation. Wonder where they got that idea from...
I guess so. It's full of Pole-shifts, Transformations, and Awakenings that
only the obsessed can really believe in.
Well, I guess they've solved the problem of what aliens look like. They look
like humans. It's so obvious now.
"Graphics by unknown source." Looks suspiciously like the UFO from the
X-Files to me. There is another good picture in the astronomy section
labelled "Dark side of Deimos". It's Olympus Mons. On MARS!
Has to be parody. "Little grey space aliens want our women"? Give me
strength.
I'm not surprised. It's full of rubbish about hyperdimensional physics - a
branch of physics abandoned 100 years ago because it has no basis in fact.
Well, it appears there are a fair number of them "out there" as well, so
don't be too alarmed.

Andy

Previously Andy Wren said:
You ain't seen nothing yet. No list of nutcase links is complete without:

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/

Now there's someone completely out to lunch..

Later,

Steve :-)
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I was being a tad creative in my interpretation of "violent". You can pin
someone to the floor without being violent. You can make them think their wrist
hurts with a light and gentle touch. I don't consider this violent.

Admittedly if you pin them to the floor and then stamp on their head, this is
violent.

Suppose someone is standing on the edge of a cliff, and you tickle them with a
feather, causing them to fall to a crumpled and bloody death... is that
violent? (Role-players with characters casting invisibility spells want to
know.)
Oriental bumpf in general, really.
Interesting to note recent news articles concerning the massive number of fake
"qi-gong" practitioners. I think one guy is currently on trial for murdering
150 people.

"No, no, don't go to hospital, let me heal you with my Qi. Oh, you're dead.
Next!"
No, although Role-playing, listening to Marilyn Manson, and not going to church
on Sundays are considered prime candidates. So anyone in a Sunday afternoon
heavy-metal role-playing campaign is pretty well doomed.
No, no! Not the Green Knigth!
He said church with a small "c". He's not been excommunicated, just turfed out
by the parish priest.

Dominic.

"If it exists and customers can get access to it then you know that some customer
is using it. They just find it somehow." [Elaine Kunkle]

My fundamental Christian brother has not been able to find anything against
us all in the Bible, and therefore is quite happy. I guess that means Simon
might be able to find a fundy Christian church which would accept him
still.

Catholics, however have rules handed out by various "infallible" Popes which
say he is living an immoral lifestyle which he needs to repent from. These
rules were, of course laid down later, when they wanted the Romans to accept
Christianity.


As for the force being copied from Martial Arts and the like, that rings
distant bells in my head from what Dave Prowse said at the Star/wars/Star
Trek/ Dr who con I went to. Unfortunately, my memory is too poor to remember
clearly...

Oh well ;-)

Jenny Gould

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that's saying something. My experience is that the Fundies are rabid when it
comes to immoral lifestyles.

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