This week's film and Page's trip (1998/02/16)

This week's film and Page's trip

Posted by Luke Dalli on 1998/02/16 09:31

This week's film is Brazil, a film which I know nothing about, apart
from the fact that at 142 minutes it is the 13th longest SF film ever
(according to SFX)
Ask Nick or Chris for more details, they are the ones who told me that
it was "actually quite good." 7pm in MLT as usual

Some of us are going on a trip to pages bar on Saturday. Anyone is
welcome to come. Reply to the list so we can co-ordinate meeting up etc.
I'm going to go down to London in the morning so I will meet you there.

Luke

This week's film and Page's trip

Posted by Chris Turner on 1998/02/16 10:04

Previously, Dalli L wrote....

This week's film is Brazil, a film which I know nothing about, apart
from the fact that at 142 minutes it is the 13th longest SF film ever
(according to SFX)
Ask Nick or Chris for more details, they are the ones who told me that
it was "actually quite good." 7pm in MLT as usual

And make sure you ask the right Chris, cos if you ask this one you'll get a
"I've not seen it yet" kind of reply. *8)

Chris

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This week's film and Page's trip

Posted by Nick Waterman on 1998/02/16 11:44

Chris Turner said:

This week's film is Brazil, a film which I know nothing about, apart

[blah]

Ask Nick or Chris for more details, they are the ones who told me that
it was "actually quite good." 7pm in MLT as usual

And make sure you ask the right Chris, cos if you ask this one you'll get a
"I've not seen it yet" kind of reply. *8)

And make sure you ask the right Nick, cos if you ask this one.... hang
on, how many Nicks are there?

All I said was something like "I've had it highly reccommended to me
by many people and I'd really like to see it" or words to that effect.

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Brazil

Posted by Simon Richardson on 1998/02/16 10:13

In article <7163823F2EDACF1188610000C0F06ACF4E94FB@>, Dalli L <L.Dalli@> wrote:

This week's film is Brazil, a film which I know nothing about, apart
from the fact that at 142 minutes it is the 13th longest SF film ever
(according to SFX)
Ask Nick or Chris for more details, they are the ones who told me that
it was "actually quite good." 7pm in MLT as usual

[...]

Brazil is a film on a number of levels, but the easiest way to explain it is
"rather like 1984 as directed by Terry Gillam". In other words the same
director as "Time Bandits", "The Fisher King", or "Twelve Monkeys". In fact
there are quite a few similarities between the future world presented in
"Brazil" and the future world presented in "Twelve Monkeys", at least as
regards the set design and direction.

One little teaser that does cause reasonable argument among "Brazil"
afficionadoes is this: at what point does the film start to slip away into
madness? I like an answer reported to me as belonging to Darren - something
like "well, you know that scene with the man chasing the fly around that
pristine office, climbing over the complicated machine ... well, it's about
five minutes before that." If you actually go and see the film, you will
see why I like this answer.

The other thing you might like to laugh about is the fact that the original
UA cut of this film, for the American market, loses the last minute or so.
Dave Chilard, in particular, will enjoy the reflections that this suggests
about the American filmgoing public. (Sorry, Dave, it's true. But argue
with me when you've seen the film, OK?)

I can't think of anything more to say that isn't either a spoiler or
apparently-outrageous praise. Or possibly both. This film is a must-see.
See it.

(If you haven't seen it, don't read anything else on this thread until
Friday, because someone will post a spoiler on this list. I am willing to
make bets on which two people it will be - but in private...)

Simon

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Brazil

Posted by Chris L on 1998/02/17 12:21

Simon said some people are going to send spoilers.
Well anyone who's bet on me, you've lost your money.

I have been telling Luke for most of the year to show Brazil,
and my persistence has paid off. This is a brilliant film.
Terry Gilliam is at his best when trying to be funny or mildly disturbing and surreal. When he does both at once as he does in Brazil, he is GOD.
We should however probably thank the Lord that Gilliam didn't direct the Dr Who movie.
(Please let him do hitch hikers though)

As to Simons thingummy about a certain piece of timing in the film,
Hmm, Official start 7 pm, MLT, allow 10 minutes for people to arrive and set up, 142 minute film, I would say about 8.49pm.
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Brazil

Posted by Jonathon Hart on 1998/02/17 22:03

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As to Simons thingummy about a certain piece of timing in the film,
Hmm, Official start 7 pm, MLT, allow 10 minutes for people to arrive
and set up, 142 minute film, I would say about 8.49pm.

Very pickky but I don't quite follow your working there...

Jon

Brazil

Posted by Chris L on 1998/02/18 10:10

As to Simons thingummy about a certain piece of timing in the film,

.> Hmm, Official start 7 pm, MLT, allow 10 minutes for people to arrive

and set up, 142 minute film, I would say about 8.49pm.

Very pickky but I don't quite follow your working there...

You don't? What a shame. I'm sure those who've seen the film sort of agree with me when they take such times into account.
I didn't quote Simon's article cos I'd deleted it. Check that to see what piece of timing I'm referring to

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clyth@
In relativity, matter tells space how to curve, and space tells matter
how to move. The Heart of Gold told space to get knotted...
D. Adams Life, The Universe and Everything
Jon

bRAZIL

Posted by Chris L on 1998/02/17 14:28

sIMON MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE Slightly shorter version of Brazil proving something about American's taste. It proves more about US film producers. That version of the film bombed.

He didn't mention my use of Caps lock. I just didn't notice myself for several seconds.
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clyth@
In relativity, matter tells space how to curve, and space tells matter
how to move. The Heart of Gold told space to get knotted...
D. Adams Life, The Universe and Everything

bRAZIL

Posted by Simon Richardson on 1998/02/18 12:38

In article <"/GUID:12714E0EEEA4D111BB5E000000000001*"@MHS>, Lyth Chris <Chris.C.Lyth@> wrote:

sIMON MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE Slightly shorter version of Brazil
proving something about American's taste. It proves more about US film
producers. That version of the film bombed.

I didn't mention that the film won several Oscars before it was released,
because Universal refused to release it. Terry Gillam actually took out a
full-page ad in the film-industry magazine "Variety" with the words

Dear Sid Sheinberg,
when are you going to
release my film 'BRAZIL'?
Terry Gilliam.

Various LA filmfolks saw it at private viewings of one sort or another, and
they nominated it even though it had never been released. Others then saw
it, and it won these Oscars. After that, Universal released it, and now you
can see it.

Source (which contains spoilers): http://www.execpc.com/brazil/

He didn't mention my use of Caps lock. I just didn't notice myself for
several seconds.

No, and I didn't mention your use of the delete key either. This is a key
you can use to go back and correct your postings, and you can use it when
you re-read your posting for typing errors and general readability before
submitting it to the list. Your time saved not proofreading it is
multiplied into our time lost struggling to read it. In the end people stop
worrying about the authors of difficult-to-read postings and delete them
unread.

But what am I telling you all this for - you are the editor of our magazine,
so you know how important it is to make an effort. Don't you?

Simon

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This week's film and Page's trip

Posted by James H. on 1998/02/16 14:31

Some of us are going on a trip to pages bar on Saturday. Anyone is
welcome to come. Reply to the list so we can co-ordinate meeting up
etc.
I'm going to go down to London in the morning so I will meet you
there.

I want to go, but I don't know how to get there. Is anyone going to
organize an official (or unofficial) group if IFISers that I can go
along with?

James Hanley, lost in London.