Ultimate sci-fi war

If all the sci-fi universes were meshed into one, (at the peek of each
empire's power) and enough time was left for them to destroy each other,
in the end who would win?
(if the same sci-fi universe has more than one emperium, or more than
one peek, for the sake of fairness we'll put both in)
Aliences are allowed (and probably would occur, by the less powerful
sci-fis)

Ps: any one else think that star wars/trek woun't win?

Dyer E wrote:
Wheeeee! Good start to the year :-)

I'm going to vote for the Stargate replicators, or something
suspiciously similar. They're one of those enemies where all you need is
ONE left over and sooner or later you're still doomed.

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Cold Wave Linked to Temperatures

I'd go for the Dr Who universe.

In the novels, the Faction Paradox, destroy Gallifrey by travelling back further in time than the Time Lords can counter and destroying them before they had properly evolved.

Dont think a couple of star destroyers, or the Enterprise could counter that.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dyer E
To: chat@
Sent: 10/3/2006 6:16 AM
Subject: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war

If all the sci-fi universes were meshed into one, (at the peek of each
empire's power) and enough time was left for them to destroy each other,
in the end who would win?

(if the same sci-fi universe has more than one emperium, or more than
one peek, for the sake of fairness we'll put both in)

Aliences are allowed (and probably would occur, by the less powerful
sci-fis)

Ps: any one else think that star wars/trek woun't win?

Yes, and then the Doctor would beat all of them. He's good like that.

But then basically the Doctor could bring down any evil empire, no matter
how powerful, with a satsuma and the right words.

"Don't you think she looks tired?"

Adam
xx

Another thing to factor in, all of these universes have someone who always wins. Could be an interesting face off. Luke Skywalker, the Doctor, Captain Scarlet' the Lensmen et al. If we could work out which hero would win, then his universe would be the last one standing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Cummins
To: chat@
Sent: 10/3/2006 8:32 AM
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war

Yes, and then the Doctor would beat all of them. He's good like that.

But then basically the Doctor could bring down any evil empire, no
matter
how powerful, with a satsuma and the right words.

"Don't you think she looks tired?"

Adam
xx
back
before
other,

This takes me back. You arem't big Nigel back again are you ? If so I
claim my 10 ..... ;-) One of our older members had an obsession about who
would win in a fight between a Borg Cube and a Death Star (obvious really,
it's the Death Star)

By a strange coincidence15 years today this lot - I'm looking at you
Waterman - came and took me to a pub. You can leave but you can never
escape.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dyer E" <E.Dyer@>
To: <chat@>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 6:16 AM
Subject: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


If all the sci-fi universes were meshed into one, (at the peek of each
empire's power) and enough time was left for them to destroy each other,
in the end who would win?
(if the same sci-fi universe has more than one emperium, or more than
one peek, for the sake of fairness we'll put both in)
Aliences are allowed (and probably would occur, by the less powerful
sci-fis)

Ps: any one else think that star wars/trek woun't win?

for the sake of being devils advocate, I reckon that the TRIBBLES from
Star Trek's orginal series would win, just because they get everywhere
and eat everything- the enemy would simply starve to death and no matter
how many you kill they just keep reproducing- way too fast to get rid of
them all... the ultimate seige machine... ! ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dyer E [mailto:E.Dyer@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 06:16
To: chat@
Subject: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war



If all the sci-fi universes were meshed into one, (at the peek of each
empire's power) and enough time was left for them to destroy each other,
in the end who would win?

(if the same sci-fi universe has more than one emperium, or more than
one peek, for the sake of fairness we'll put both in)

Aliences are allowed (and probably would occur, by the less powerful
sci-fis)

Ps: any one else think that star wars/trek woun't win?

and I have to wonder, by the way exactly what would happen if two beings
who can never die were to meet in this interuniversal war- such as the
Doctor, and Q, for example... that could provide some fun... !

Judith Ratcliffe

President of IFIS

-----Original Message-----
From: Ratcliffe JA [mailto:J.A.Ratcliffe@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 10:29
To: chat@
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


for the sake of being devils advocate, I reckon that the TRIBBLES from
Star Trek's orginal series would win, just because they get everywhere
and eat everything- the enemy would simply starve to death and no matter
how many you kill they just keep reproducing- way too fast to get rid of
them all... the ultimate seige machine... ! ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dyer E [mailto:E.Dyer@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 06:16
To: chat@
Subject: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war



If all the sci-fi universes were meshed into one, (at the peek of each
empire's power) and enough time was left for them to destroy each other,
in the end who would win?

(if the same sci-fi universe has more than one emperium, or more than
one peek, for the sake of fairness we'll put both in)

Aliences are allowed (and probably would occur, by the less powerful
sci-fis)

Ps: any one else think that star wars/trek woun't win?

The Doctor can Die.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ratcliffe JA" <J.A.Ratcliffe@>
To: <chat@>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


and I have to wonder, by the way exactly what would happen if two beings
who can never die were to meet in this interuniversal war- such as the
Doctor, and Q, for example... that could provide some fun... !

Judith Ratcliffe

President of IFIS

-----Original Message-----
From: Ratcliffe JA [mailto:J.A.Ratcliffe@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 10:29
To: chat@
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


for the sake of being devils advocate, I reckon that the TRIBBLES from
Star Trek's orginal series would win, just because they get everywhere
and eat everything- the enemy would simply starve to death and no matter
how many you kill they just keep reproducing- way too fast to get rid of
them all... the ultimate seige machine... ! ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dyer E [mailto:E.Dyer@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 06:16
To: chat@
Subject: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war



If all the sci-fi universes were meshed into one, (at the peek of each
empire's power) and enough time was left for them to destroy each other,
in the end who would win?

(if the same sci-fi universe has more than one emperium, or more than
one peek, for the sake of fairness we'll put both in)

Aliences are allowed (and probably would occur, by the less powerful
sci-fis)

Ps: any one else think that star wars/trek woun't win?

Only in the technical sense, since he always 'regenerates'- ...

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Ayres [mailto:philip_ayres@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 10:54
To: chat@
Subject: Re: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


The Doctor can Die.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ratcliffe JA" <J.A.Ratcliffe@>
To: <chat@>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


and I have to wonder, by the way exactly what would happen if two beings
who can never die were to meet in this interuniversal war- such as the
Doctor, and Q, for example... that could provide some fun... !

Judith Ratcliffe

President of IFIS

-----Original Message-----
From: Ratcliffe JA [mailto:J.A.Ratcliffe@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 10:29
To: chat@
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


for the sake of being devils advocate, I reckon that the TRIBBLES from
Star Trek's orginal series would win, just because they get everywhere
and eat everything- the enemy would simply starve to death and no matter
how many you kill they just keep reproducing- way too fast to get rid of
them all... the ultimate seige machine... ! ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dyer E [mailto:E.Dyer@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 06:16
To: chat@
Subject: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war



If all the sci-fi universes were meshed into one, (at the peek of each
empire's power) and enough time was left for them to destroy each other,
in the end who would win?

(if the same sci-fi universe has more than one emperium, or more than
one peek, for the sake of fairness we'll put both in)

Aliences are allowed (and probably would occur, by the less powerful
sci-fis)

Ps: any one else think that star wars/trek woun't win?

Besides- death is a technicality- easily overcome... So long as you
don't play chess with it, or is it cards?

-----Original Message-----
From: Ratcliffe JA [mailto:J.A.Ratcliffe@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 11:08
To: chat@
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


Only in the technical sense, since he always 'regenerates'- ...

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Ayres [mailto:philip_ayres@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 10:54
To: chat@
Subject: Re: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


The Doctor can Die.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ratcliffe JA" <J.A.Ratcliffe@>
To: <chat@>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


and I have to wonder, by the way exactly what would happen if two beings
who can never die were to meet in this interuniversal war- such as the
Doctor, and Q, for example... that could provide some fun... !

Judith Ratcliffe

President of IFIS

-----Original Message-----
From: Ratcliffe JA [mailto:J.A.Ratcliffe@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 10:29
To: chat@
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


for the sake of being devils advocate, I reckon that the TRIBBLES from
Star Trek's orginal series would win, just because they get everywhere
and eat everything- the enemy would simply starve to death and no matter
how many you kill they just keep reproducing- way too fast to get rid of
them all... the ultimate seige machine... ! ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dyer E [mailto:E.Dyer@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 06:16
To: chat@
Subject: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war



If all the sci-fi universes were meshed into one, (at the peek of each
empire's power) and enough time was left for them to destroy each other,
in the end who would win?

(if the same sci-fi universe has more than one emperium, or more than
one peek, for the sake of fairness we'll put both in)

Aliences are allowed (and probably would occur, by the less powerful
sci-fis)

Ps: any one else think that star wars/trek woun't win?

This is so delightfully silly. I think I'll just complicate/confuse things
further by throwing Firefly or the new series of Battlestar Galactica into
the mix...mwahahaha.

Q makes me giggle.


Sanaa.

On 03/10/06, Ratcliffe JA <J.A.Ratcliffe@> wrote:

---

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in
the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
--Calvin, from Watterson's "Calvin & Hobbes"

well, i hear that the my little pony universe can get quite nasty on the night
of a full moon.





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This is so delightfully silly. I think I'll just complicate/confuse things
further by throwing Firefly or the new series of Battlestar Galactica into the
mix...mwahahaha.

Q makes me giggle.


Sanaa.


On 03/10/06, Ratcliffe JA <J.A.Ratcliffe@> wrote:
Besides- death is a technicality- easily overcome... So long as you
don't play chess with it, or is it cards?

-----Original Message-----
From: Ratcliffe JA [mailto:J.A.Ratcliffe@ ]
Sent: 03 October 2006 11:08
To: chat@
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


Only in the technical sense, since he always 'regenerates'- ...

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Ayres [mailto:philip_ayres@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 10:54
To: chat@
Subject: Re: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


The Doctor can Die.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ratcliffe JA" <J.A.Ratcliffe@ >
To: <chat@>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


and I have to wonder, by the way exactly what would happen if two beings
who can never die were to meet in this interuniversal war- such as the
Doctor, and Q, for example... that could provide some fun... !

Judith Ratcliffe

President of IFIS

-----Original Message-----
From: Ratcliffe JA [mailto:J.A.Ratcliffe@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 10:29
To: chat@
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


for the sake of being devils advocate, I reckon that the TRIBBLES from
Star Trek's orginal series would win, just because they get everywhere
and eat everything- the enemy would simply starve to death and no matter
how many you kill they just keep reproducing- way too fast to get rid of
them all... the ultimate seige machine... ! ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dyer E [mailto: E.Dyer@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 06:16
To: chat@
Subject: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war



If all the sci-fi universes were meshed into one, (at the peek of each
empire's power) and enough time was left for them to destroy each other,
in the end who would win?

(if the same sci-fi universe has more than one emperium, or more than
one peek, for the sake of fairness we'll put both in)

Aliences are allowed (and probably would occur, by the less powerful
sci-fis)

Ps: any one else think that star wars/trek woun't win?

---

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in
the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
--Calvin, from Watterson's "Calvin & Hobbes"

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Okay, guys, much as I absolutely love it that you're all getting into
the IFIS groove and discussing sci-fi and also that I'm thoroughly
enjoying reading all your thoughts etc... and adding a few of my own
here and there, it has to be said that all our in-boxes are being
flooded with these messages and may actually be obscuring vitally
important ones from view and therefore I would like to propose that we
have a forum for this kind of discussion instead. I shall go to the
students union today and ask that we have one set up on the surhul
bulletin board for us and I shall let you all know of its progress and
how to find it once it is set up on the announce lines.

This is the sort of conversation that would do really fantastically well
down the pub on Thursdays at 8. So I hope to see lots of you there this
week, ready to debate with me... ! ;)

Judith Ratcliffe

President of IFIS



-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Nicholls [mailto:spooky2k@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 19:21
To: chat@
Subject: Re: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war



well, i hear that the my little pony universe can get quite nasty on the
night of a full moon.








_____




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This is so delightfully silly. I think I'll just complicate/confuse
things further by throwing Firefly or the new series of Battlestar
Galactica into the mix...mwahahaha.

Q makes me giggle.


Sanaa.



On 03/10/06, Ratcliffe JA <J.A.Ratcliffe@> wrote:

Besides- death is a technicality- easily overcome... So long as you
don't play chess with it, or is it cards?

-----Original Message-----
From: Ratcliffe JA [mailto:J.A.Ratcliffe@
<mailto:J.A.Ratcliffe@> ]
Sent: 03 October 2006 11:08
To: chat@
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


Only in the technical sense, since he always 'regenerates'- ...

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Ayres [mailto:philip_ayres@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 10:54
To: chat@ <mailto:chat@>
Subject: Re: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


The Doctor can Die.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ratcliffe JA" <J.A.Ratcliffe@ >
To: <chat@>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


and I have to wonder, by the way exactly what would happen if two beings

who can never die were to meet in this interuniversal war- such as the
Doctor, and Q, for example... that could provide some fun... !

Judith Ratcliffe

President of IFIS

-----Original Message-----
From: Ratcliffe JA [mailto:J.A.Ratcliffe@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 10:29
To: chat@
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


for the sake of being devils advocate, I reckon that the TRIBBLES from
Star Trek's orginal series would win, just because they get everywhere
and eat everything- the enemy would simply starve to death and no matter

how many you kill they just keep reproducing- way too fast to get rid of
them all... the ultimate seige machine... ! ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dyer E [mailto: <mailto:E.Dyer@> E.Dyer@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 06:16
To: chat@
Subject: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war



If all the sci-fi universes were meshed into one, (at the peek of each
empire's power) and enough time was left for them to destroy each other,
in the end who would win?

(if the same sci-fi universe has more than one emperium, or more than
one peek, for the sake of fairness we'll put both in)

Aliences are allowed (and probably would occur, by the less powerful
sci-fis)

Ps: any one else think that star wars/trek woun't win?

---

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists
elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
--Calvin, from Watterson's "Calvin & Hobbes"



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Surely IFIS chat is the perfect place for this sort of inane discussion
and banter? This isn't the list being flooded, it's more like the list
receiving some welcome input from some fresh sources (even if we are
re-treading old ground).

Asan

p.s. The marbles alien at the end of Men in Black would smirk at all the
feuding factions in this war, before plonking the universe back into its
marbles bag.

Not all of us who work would necessarily be able to access forums during
work hours (firewalls tend to block that sort of thing as 'chat'), whilst
the IFIS Chat mailing list was specifically set up for this type of
conversation. On the (redesigned, I notice) website, the guidelines do
say...

"chat is for members to generally chat about anything sci-fi related.
Anything at all. Burning the books, how cr*p last night's episode of
"Voyager" was, who would win if the death star met the borg, anything. This
list is not moderated. Anyone can post to it."

Adam

If you're using Outlook (or similar) you can set up a folder for your ifis
mail and get a mail rule to route the email straight to that folder rather
than the inbox (something like if to or cc = chat@ is what I use)

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Philip Ayres
philip_ayres@
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Cummins" <saternalius@>
To: <chat@>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war- sorry I have to stop it now, as
moderator- this is not for here, but for the forum

On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 08:46 +0000, Adam Cummins wrote:
I agree with Judith. The forum is just a web page - if your work
firewall blocks you from reading it, then you probably shouldn't be
reading it by email either, should you?

-James

If it is not moderated, then forgive me for suggesting that it should
be, I think it should be because for example if a majorly violent
argument were to occur (may be a far fetched example but it could
happen) or if threats issued from anywhere then there would be a need
for someone to step in and say stop. I believe that the President should
do this to protect her society members.

I have said what I have to say in the interest of society members.

That is all.

Judith Ratcliffe, President of IFIS

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Cummins [mailto:saternalius@]
Sent: 04 October 2006 09:47
To: chat@
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war- sorry I have to stop it now, as
moderator- this is not for here, but for the forum
Not all of us who work would necessarily be able to access forums during

work hours (firewalls tend to block that sort of thing as 'chat'),
whilst
the IFIS Chat mailing list was specifically set up for this type of
conversation. On the (redesigned, I notice) website, the guidelines do
say...

"chat is for members to generally chat about anything sci-fi related.
Anything at all. Burning the books, how cr*p last night's episode of
"Voyager" was, who would win if the death star met the borg, anything.
This
list is not moderated. Anyone can post to it."

Adam

That has happened in the past, and on occasions like that the President has
stepped in and called it to a halt (I remember having to do that when I was
IFIS President). I think the idea with IFIS Chat is that you can talk about
what you like to do with Sci-Fi and Fantasy, but not on IFIS Announce. If
people don't want to get emails from the Chat list, they can be unsubscribed
from it but not miss out on society announcments by staying on the Announce
list.

Adam

Quick, someone fetch her a whip!


..
..
..
(Actually, given past IFIS history...)

;)

*grins lots*

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ratcliffe JA" <J.A.Ratcliffe@>
To: <chat@>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war- sorry I have to stop it now, as
moderator- this is not for here, but for the forum
Allow me to add to the voices saying that this sort of discussion is what
chat is intended for.
The chat/announce split is there so that people can get news about the
society via announce, and if they wish to participate in this sort of
discussion, they can use chat. If people think that the 14 or so emails sent
yesterday are too much, they can unsubscribe from chat without losing the
news from announce.
The way I and others deal with the potential floods from chatty posts is to
set up a folder into which chat posts go to be dealt with at leisure.
A web forum is a lot more awkward to use, especially from work. Email at
least looks like work.

---

Chris Lyth (clythJFK@ - shoot the president to reply)

An unbreakable toy is useful for breaking other toys. -- Van
Roy's Law

Only 12 times barring possessing another body/finding a power source to
start a new regeneration cycle/act of God.

Anyway the timelords pail before things like the Guardians and the (DW)
Eternals.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Philip Ayres
philip_ayres@
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ratcliffe JA" <J.A.Ratcliffe@>
To: <chat@>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


Only in the technical sense, since he always 'regenerates'- ...

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Ayres [mailto:philip_ayres@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 10:54
To: chat@
Subject: Re: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


The Doctor can Die.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ratcliffe JA" <J.A.Ratcliffe@>
To: <chat@>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


and I have to wonder, by the way exactly what would happen if two beings
who can never die were to meet in this interuniversal war- such as the
Doctor, and Q, for example... that could provide some fun... !

Judith Ratcliffe

President of IFIS

-----Original Message-----
From: Ratcliffe JA [mailto:J.A.Ratcliffe@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 10:29
To: chat@
Subject: RE: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war


for the sake of being devils advocate, I reckon that the TRIBBLES from
Star Trek's orginal series would win, just because they get everywhere
and eat everything- the enemy would simply starve to death and no matter
how many you kill they just keep reproducing- way too fast to get rid of
them all... the ultimate seige machine... ! ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dyer E [mailto:E.Dyer@]
Sent: 03 October 2006 06:16
To: chat@
Subject: [IFIS] Ultimate sci-fi war



If all the sci-fi universes were meshed into one, (at the peek of each
empire's power) and enough time was left for them to destroy each other,
in the end who would win?

(if the same sci-fi universe has more than one emperium, or more than
one peek, for the sake of fairness we'll put both in)

Aliences are allowed (and probably would occur, by the less powerful
sci-fis)

Ps: any one else think that star wars/trek woun't win?