The biggest Star Trek joke of all

Janeway as Captain.
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clyth@
A beeblebear is cute, cuddly and confusing to mundanes

Previously, Chris Lyth said that the biggest Star Trek joke of all is:
Er... I don't get it - it's not funny at all. In fact, it's downright
scary. I would go so far as to say that it is no laughing matter
whatsoever. Why is it that when they finally get a female captain (not
including captain of the Saratoga in ST:IV), they have to make her the
most annoying woman in the galaxy? Is there some kind of plot behind
it? (Whoops, I've said "plot" in conjunction with "Voyager" - there
goes my credibility!)

Actually, it could have been worse - it could have been Amanda de
Cadanet (thick woman from The Word), Mariella Frostrup (the walking sore
throat) or that woman from Food & Drink who's always tasting wine and
getting paid for it... or even (shudder) Janet Street Porter... "Ew, I'm
gonna blow your fleet away, in't I? <Snort!>"

Dave-ros

Previously, Chilard D wrote....
I agree totally. Maybe Chris should see a shrink to cure him off his mental
problem. *8)
For the first time in years you have a Star Trek series that actually does
go where no man has gone before and everyone hates it? Compared to DS9
where they spend episode after episode having yet another a personal crisis
or a minor scuffle up with the dominion. Or Next Gen, why does Picard
bother with the speech at the beginning - they never go off exploring beyond
the Federation borders.

Chris

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"So this is really me? A no-style gimbo with teeth druids could use as a
place of worship" - Duaine Dibley (Red Dwarf - "Back to Reality")

Previously, Chris Turner wrote...
DS9 and TNG do *occasionally* go where no one has gone before; it's just
that they always get back in time for tea. And I thought DS9 had moved
beyond the "personal crisis every episode and that's all that happens"
phase - I thought now it was "huge gigantic crisis which could end the
Federation" every time! Except "Trials and Tribble-Ations", which was
quite clearly just a farce. (Incidentally, they didn't just use footage
from "The Trouble With Tribbles" - the bit at the end where Ben Sisko
hands a report to Kirk is from, I think, "Mirror Mirror" - the real
person was a woman who looked just like Captain Kirk's "wife" in the
alternate universe! Hence his admiring look... or does he just fancy
bald men?)

By the way, I don't hate Voyager - I just never get a chance to watch it
and decide for myself, so I presume, from everyone else's comments, that
it is, to use the vernacular, a pile of pants...

Dave-ros

I kinda liked it. Never really enough to go too far out of my way for it, but
it seemed to capture most of the inherent Trekkiness of the series.

It has some irritating characters, but it's nowhere near as bad as some loud
people on this list make out.

Dominic.

"It's worse than dog-eat-dog.
It's Dog-doesn't-return-dog's-phone-calls." [Woody Allen (allegedly)]

Dominic Thomas <dthomas@> intoned on 18 February 1998 11:23
as some loud
This is a bit like the problem with changing actors for Dr. Who. With each
new actor the fans cried that the series was degenerating and getting worse,
me included. having watched some of the later epsiodes again they where not
as bad as I remember them.

ST:V has it's flaws but it does have it's good points. The series started
out trying to be like the original series but got bogged down in trite
morality and let's all be goody goodies. By the third season it had
corrected that, I believe because the viewing figures where so bad in the
states. There where some plot holes so wide you could drive bus through then
but that is what you get for doing a soap opera in space.

To be honest I am looking forward to season 4 starting.

Dave "Where going on a bug hunt" Barlow

Previously, Dave Barlow said...
Doctor Who was the first show to change its main actor, wasn't it?
Batman doesn't count, really (Adam West in The Simpsons commenting
"Michelle Pfeiffer, hah! The only true Catwoman is Julie Newmar, Lee
Merriweather, and Eartha Kitt!"). So, really Dr.Who was a pioneering
show. Now, TV companies change lead actors as they like (ahem-Game On).

I never shouted out "oh, the series is degenerating!"! I kind of got
used to the whole concept of regeneration (I can remember Peter Davison
"arriving" as a kid!). OTOH, I thought the BBC was degenerating when
they fired Colin Baker and didn't even bring him back for the
regeneration sequence (they put a wig on Sly McCoy!)! Michael Grade,
however, was punished... by being made controller of Channel 4. What a
fate!
I thought ST:TNG was a soap opera in space as well! And DS9 more so,
come to that!
Hmm... everyone (well, Simon) going on at Chris Lyth because he doesn't
bother to correct his big meaty fingers hitting Caps Lock by mistake,
and this guy can't even tell the difference between "where", "were" and
"we're"!!

Where = "what place"
Were = plural of "was" (ie. "they were")
We're = "we are"

And while I'm at it... (heh heh heh - "at it"!)
"Its" = possessive ("belonging to it")
"It's" = "it is"

Clear, everybody? I won't tolerate no more of this un-proper English,
like. Not that it really matters, but I'd like to think the country's
taxes are actually going towards an education! (Otherwise I'd feel
guilty not paying gigantic tuition fees - and that would be tantamount
to saying Labour were right to introduce them!)

Or was Dave (the other Dave) pointing out his own mistake by his last
sentence?

David Chilard, alias Grand Lord Pedanticus

Now that was a bad move.
Now a couple of weeks ago when those enormous postings on Nettiquette came over
the list, I noticed one point which said "Every so often there'll be an
outbreak of spelling flames" and I thought "At least we've not had that".

Well DON'T START!

Some people are pretty good (DaveB is, usually) and some people are REALLY
REALLY BAD.

Flame 'em in private - not to the list.

That way, they get MORE abuse, because nobody says "Oh, I won't bother, someone
else has said it", and the rest of us don't have to read it at all.

A Win-Win situation.

Chris Turner said:
ST:TOS - To boldly go where no man has gone before.
ST:TNG - To boldly go where no ONE has gone before, honest mate.
ST:DS9 - To boldly SIT where no one has SAT before.
ST:Vgr - To boldly go where no WOMAN has gone before.

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Last time, as you will recall...
does
crisis
beyond
I totally agree. In fact, I'm sure the S in DS9 stands for SLEEP.
Whenever I see the trailers on Sky for next weeks new episode (as they
always insist on saying) I usually think one of the following:-

1. Oh god! A Kira episode. That means a load of Bajoran religious
claptrap involving prophets and one of those boxes with the blue lights in.
Obviously not the same blue light Spock was some fond of looking at for
answers. Or maybe...

2. Oh no! A Klingon episode. Yeah, you get some good fight sequences or
space battles to liven things up, but they usually end up with somebody
saying "Today IS a good day to die" or "You have no hon-oar", and a load of
Klingon opera. Oh, and Worf gets the p*ss taken out of him again.

3. Oh no! A Cisco episode. It'll taken him fifteen minutes to get through
his first line of dialogue with that monotone drawl he has. Thank the
heavens he doesn't have an introductory monologue a la Kirk or Picard.

Don't get me wrong, I still watch it because there are still some great
episodes, its just that you have to wade through so much boring stuff to
get to it. OK, Voyager does tend to be Spatial Anomaly or Holodeck
accident of the week, but at least it has some action, and the third season
was actually quite good...

Thanks for listening. I feel better now.

Sean

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I agree with Sean discription of DS:9. But Voyager has caught the old
Big Foe disease - where instead of a plot they just introducue a
bigger and nastier foes.

Like most SF they assume that we will be so taking with the new enemy
and SFX, that we spot the missing plot.

The biggest ST joke is in the episone where we discover about the
Jem'Hadar. They have just kicked the Fed butt - proved they have
better technology, blowed up a gaxaly class ship, proved they
are willing to figth to the death etc. To which Cisco says (paraphasing)
"We going to enter your quadant - just try and stop us...".
(The original speech was a bit longer...)

Daniel

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